Pro-Pit Bull People Travel to Madisonville Meeting
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Posted: 10:34 PM Mar 10, 2008
Last Updated: 10:44 PM Mar 10, 2008
Reporter: Steve Fullhart
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Madisonville's city council heard from locals and pit bull owners at Monday's meeting, all in response to the city's ban on dangerous dogs that specifically note pit bulls.

In addition to area residents, about half-a-dozen people from Austin and Bastrop County made the trip to express their displeasure with the city's recently passed ordinance.

"If a particular pit bull is vicious, we have no problem with that, but there's nothing vicious about a pit bull, inherently vicious about a pit bull," said Lydia Zaidman, who is a co-organizer of a pro-pit bull group out of Austin.

Alisha Badillo would agree with that. She, her husband and her kids care for Bruno, Lady and their puppy, Sara.

"Our dogs have never gotten out," Badillo said. " They've never caused trouble. They're not excessive barkers. They've never bit anybody. They've never growled at anybody. Nothing."

It's a family that could be split by Madisonville's new ordinance. To keep their furry friends, they would have to pay a $30 fee, provide the city with two photos of each dog, pay for a $100,000 insurance policy and build a 10-foot-by-10-foot pen with a top and a concrete base to hold the dogs.

"We can't afford that, so we have to hope that they change the law because like everybody else in town, nobody has the money for that," Badillo said.

Zaidman and her friends believe what's happening in Madisonville affects all pit bull owners. It's a fight they're willing to take up with the city, though one they'd like to end peacefully.

"That abuse is at the other end of the leash, and you have to target that end of the leash, or you're never going to solve the problem," Zaidman said. "They're going to move on to another breed of dogs. This isn't the right answer."

Madisonville Mayor Sonny Dean says they will take all comments from Monday into consideration, and that he wants to work with the citizens to make sure no one is treated unfairly.

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Posted by: Ali Location: NY on Jul 3, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Keep in mind: in italy if you own a border collie, you must muzzle it if taken for a walk - this is one of 50 breed types marked in BSL. On the flip side - Holland just revoked BSL legislation due to the fact that they found NO REAL DIFFERENCE in dog bites. Funny though, I didn't see that in the news.......

Posted by: Ali Location: NY on Jul 3, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I just want to lend my support for you guys. I have a pittie who is going for training as a therapy dog soon, and I feel your pain. Over the last couple of days I have been hearing the media reporting on Pitbull attacks, but no mention of the owners and I am afraid something is going to spark soon. As owners of this breed we need to be PROACTIVE, not REACTIVE. Good luck in the good fight! PIT BULL LOVERS UNITE!!

Posted by: Lydia Location: Austin, Texas on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:35 AM
In response to D’s remarks that it is “sick” to have a Pittie. In independent testing, the Pit Bull tests on par with the touted Golden Retriever! The Pit Bull was the “All American” Dog when it was on the Little Rascals as “Petey,” the RCA Dog, and the Buster Brown Dog. Helen Keller’s service dog was a Pit Bull. Pit Bulls also earned the distinction of being named “Nanny” dogs for their disposition toward children. Since then, they have been hero, service, and therapy dogs. Unfortunately, a proven media bias leads to ignorant remarks such as D’s. A study by the National Canine Research Council of dog attacks in August of 2007 shows a severe bias. In four serious attacks, the media reported three of them involving non-pit bulls once or twice in local papers. However, where there was a Pit Bull involved, the media reported the attack 230 times. These facts prove a bias and leads to IGNORANCE. Learn facts! There is nothing inherently vicious about Pitties! A bad owner creates a bad dog, period.

Posted by: Shirley Location: Calvert, TX on Mar 16, 2008 at 06:35 PM
I raise Pit-bulls. They can be the gentlest dog if raised that way. Any dog can be raised to kill or injure someone. it is not fair to punish the owner or the dog for what another has done. Would you like it if some one said you had to build such a kennel for you dog; who has never bothered anyone. My dogs are restraned for their safty, not because I am scard they will hurt someone, but to keep someone from hurting them or stealing them.

Posted by: Alisha Location: Madisonville on Mar 16, 2008 at 01:42 PM
How can we consider ourselves lucky? This law is going to cost me more than my kids school clothes and supplies, birthday and Christmas presents, and little league all combined!!!

Posted by: Katrina C Location: College Station on Mar 16, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I come from Ohio and I lived in a decent sized town called Newark. They had the same Pit Bull laws there. 100000 insurance policy and the owners have to report any type of move, this or that. But at least unlike that county, they can be adopted still here in this state. In Newark, Ohio, those poor dogs have to be euthanized. So I suppose in a way, please consider yourselves lucky.

Posted by: Alisha Location: Madisonville on Mar 15, 2008 at 08:05 AM
That is my point exactly! We have more important things going on, and instead, we waste time making dog laws. What about the real crimes being commited in this town? We are not helping those situations with a stupid law like this! Hopefully, our town will wise up soon!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madisonville on Mar 14, 2008 at 09:31 PM
Let talk about dogs. Is anything going on in this govt? We are on the way of being like Hearne and we have no time to make laws on dogs. How about are city MGR. and Police Dept. WE needs to drive to Hearne and take a look. Do we need to be like a backwoods city with high crime,poor schools and a bad GOV'T.

Posted by: anonymous on Mar 14, 2008 at 04:15 PM
How does owning ANY DOG make you "SICK" ....that is both a stupid comment and very childish. It's a dog...not a snake used for gross purposes, or anything even close to that. Grow up people and realize the truth.

Posted by: aggravated Location: Madisonville on Mar 14, 2008 at 01:14 AM
And your obviously an ignorant person if you can just write off a breed of Gods creatures like that! Have a heart!!!

Posted by: stephanie Location: salem, nh on Mar 14, 2008 at 12:48 AM
im a sick person? i consider myself a very good person and for you to judge people like that makes you ignorant and imature.

Posted by: D. Location: College Station on Mar 13, 2008 at 06:41 PM
If you own a pit bull, you're a sick person.

Posted by: JoDee Location: Round Rock Texas on Mar 13, 2008 at 01:34 AM
This stiuation has gotten way ou tof hand. This law is created by ignorance. problems we have that are related to APBT pups have to do with the irresponsible owners. Now youare punishing the responsible owners. Youare inacting laws that some owners are not financially equipped to handle. Why punish good families and good pups for the actions of others. This is breed specific, do you actually think those bad seeds won't just trade for another breed? i have pits, they are loving well mannered house pups. they do not run loose, they are all up to date on shots and chipped. We love our pups, they are apart of our family and with a law like this one we would not be able to have the. This is America, we should have the freedom to have the pups of our choice. Before you make such a law as this one you should look at the person on the other end of the leash before you blame the pups....

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Salem, NH on Mar 12, 2008 at 09:05 PM
John I understand what you are saying, but your kind of doing the same thing other people are doing by pointing at certain breeds. Any dog can attack it depends on how they are raised. PitBulls are amazing and I feel sorry for those who judge them. Did anyone check out the website I listed?

Posted by: CITIZEN Location: MADISONVILLE on Mar 12, 2008 at 07:15 PM
THE MAYOR RAN UNOPPOSED AT THE LAST ELECTION-HOWEVER, HE HAS AN OPPONENT FOR THE MAY 10 ELECTION AND HE WILL NOT BE A MAYOR MUCH LONGER. THE CITIZENS OF MADISONVILLE HAS HIS NUMBER. THE MAYOR HAS BEEN BAD FOR THE CITY OF MADISONVILLE. THE ORDINANCE ON PITT BULLS IS JUST ONE OF HIS BIG MISTAKES.

Posted by: Lisa Boland Location: Port Neches, TX; Jefferson County on Mar 12, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Great job everyone who made it to the meeting...I only wish I could have been there to support you. I am very pleased to hear that you guys did make a difference on Monday; hard work does pay off! Kudos to the media for providing the coverage...we all appreciate the chance to show the other side of the coin in this matter. NO BSL in Texas!

Posted by: John Location: College Station on Mar 12, 2008 at 01:20 PM
"People should not feel as they are prisoners in there own home and fear they can't get out to take a walk because they worry whether or not they will be attacked by a pit bull." Yea, it's SOOO much better to be torn apart by a Rottweiler or Doberman...

Posted by: Alisha Location: Madisonville on Mar 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Yeah, and people that keep their pit bulls in their yard shouldn't have to suffer because of those that don't!!!! Our law enforcement should be taking care of those people that let thier dogs run free, not the ones that obey the law.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 12, 2008 at 11:52 AM
People should not feel as they are prisoners in there own home and fear they can't get out to take a walk because they worry whether or not they will be attacked by a pit bull.

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Salem, NH on Mar 11, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Ann, I disagree. All dogs dig and a lot of dogs get out. Check out this website ... http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html It is a website with 25 pictures of dogs, only ONE of the dogs are actually a pitbull. I am a PROUD pitbull owner and even I couldn't pick the right one out. Look at Michael Vick for example 22 of the pits rescued from his property were relocated to Utah, and reports say they are amazing dogs. Tey just needed the right care and attention they deserve.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 11, 2008 at 09:42 PM
Ann, You are not correct. "pit bulls" are NOT banned in the state of OK. There is a proposal tabled only. And ANY kind of dog can get out and bite. I was mauled by a Dalmation when I was small. Yes MAULED. As in hospitalized and several hundred stitches. Punish the deed - not the breed. Regards, ~Tiger

Posted by: Ann on Mar 11, 2008 at 05:20 PM
Now it is time to show the other side of the coin about the pit bulls. Try showing what a lose pit can do to an innicent child out playing, or a woman mowing her lawn, or the man walking in his neigborhood for his health & etc., etc. My understanding is that Pit bulls are banned in the State of Oklahoma. What do they know of the threat of these dogs. I have a neighbor with a pit. They do get out. They dig under fences. They do get lose. Another neighbor will not get out and walk for fear of another pit bull. Sad isn't it.

Posted by: Candice Location: Plantation, FL on Mar 11, 2008 at 02:46 PM
BSL is never the answer. How could they even pass this law if the state doesn't allow Breed Specific Legislation. Punish the deed and not the breed! Give the pitties a break!

Posted by: Jill Location: Farmington, NM on Mar 11, 2008 at 02:40 PM
I do not agree with the ban. I believe that this ban goes against all animal cruelty acts. They set out these guidelines, and can take your pet away for anything that goes against them. How does this set of rules comply with those? How is it not cruel to put a dog in a concrete pen, only to take them out if they have to be taken to the vet? Animals, just l1ike children, will turn against you if they are not given the attention they need. It is sad that many use their dogs as anything other than pets, but it is also something that people do to children too. Are children going to be banned or put into kennels, never to be let out again, if they act up (or not, as with these puppies)? What is this world coming to when the innocent are being hurt to try to control the viscious ones?

Posted by: VL Location: Santa Fe on Mar 11, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Breed specific bans (regardless of the breed)is not the answer to the problem. Education in responsible dog ownership, and basic training is. I would bet the owners of the majority of pit bulls who bite are people who leave their dogs in the yard or keep them chained, throw some food out to them, never train or socialize them or give them real attention. Those people will never change and should not own dogs. We domesticated the dog. Owners owe it to their dogs to train them, interact with them, care for them, and most of all socialize them. To do anything less for them is a not responsible ownership. Go after the owners not the dogs. By the way, I run a dog boarding kennel....many of the smaller breeds are more likely to bite me (and have) than a larger dog of any breed.

Posted by: Sharon Location: Austin, TX on Mar 11, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Many thanks to those who stood up against this ban on behalf of our cherished Pit Bull family members. I don't understand how this ban can even occur if it is against our States' laws to allow "Breed Specific Legislation". Even the Humane Society, American Veterinary Association and a list of many other reputable organizations (with actual experience, knowledge and data) do not support this type of legislation. The reason - it is simply unfounded & unreasonable.

Posted by: Cheryl Location: SI, NY on Mar 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I find it very disheartening to know that once again, animals and their FAMILIES are being punished for the irresponsibility of some owners. This bill will inevitably lead to the persecution of other breeds, as we have seen in the past. Rather, may I suggest a new concept? Punishment for the owners! Penalties for those who should not "own" these dogs in the first place. Don't punish the many FAMILIES who rear loving, obedient companions. If you ban pit bulls, you are eliminating a family member from a loving home. And insuring a pit bull for $100,000? Please inform us what company would be willing to do that! Please reconsider the ban and the insurance penalty. Punish those who deserve it!

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Frisco, TX on Mar 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Wake up Madisonville! You are breaking State Law by passing a b following the law. Change this law or face breed specific legislation. Cities are not exempt from following the law.

Posted by: penny martin Location: copperas cove tx on Mar 11, 2008 at 11:55 AM
i own 2 pitts and have had no problem with them they are so sweet , they are family i would never give my dogs up for anyone ,if they made stronger fines for people who fight their dogs then people would think twice about it it seems to me the people are the cause of these problems not the dog it just does what it told to do and when it does the dog is destroyed and the person gets a slap on the wrist look at the foot ball player who got away with what he did he got a second chance but the dogs did not !!! i feel their are no bad dogs just stupid owners !!! people need to respect there dogs just as our loyal friends respect us i hate hearing or reading all the storys about the pitt bull and everything that they have done but remember this they were tought by a human and not all humans are good people !! there needs to be longer jail terms for the miss treatment of animals ,mans best friend ! cause man sometimes cant even count on his brother ,

Posted by: Jeff Location: Houston on Mar 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Wat to go locals ! Remember the City Attorney kept saying no locals were opposed !Keep up the fight for your pets . When or if you need help , just shout !

Posted by: LaVonne Location: Burleson on Mar 11, 2008 at 09:47 AM
I agree with Zaidman about the other end of the leash. If you think back to the 70's it was German Shephards and Doberman Pinchers. Then it was Rottweilers and now Pitt Bulls. It’s not the dog it’s the owner and how they treat the dog. My sister raises Pitts and my daughter owns one, he has NO idea what kind of dog he is. He's a big baby who thinks your lap is his to lie on. It’s how you raise and socialize any dog. It’s the owner’s responsibility to make sure that the dog is socialized, has a fenced yard and that they have been trained by a professional trainer. It does not matter the breed of dog any can bite.

Posted by: irene quinones Location: killeen, texas on Mar 11, 2008 at 09:05 AM
i agree with those owners who have peaceful pits. my daughter has one and just got a puppy a few weeks ago, it starts with the owners on how they treat and educates their dogs. only bad people make bad dogs.

Posted by: AC Location: East Texas on Mar 11, 2008 at 08:54 AM
If you are going to ban a pit bull from a city, you must ban all dogs from the city. A pit bull is only as aggressive as the owner teaches it to be, just like ANY dog is as aggressive as it's owner teaches it to be. I will say that if any law is passed it should be that NO dog is allowed to be chained to a tree or any other object. A dog on a short chain gets no attention or exercise and that is one of the number one reasons a dog of any breed will get mean and the owner knows and counts on that. If a dog must be restrained for any amount of time, it must be on a runner where the dog still has freedom to roam it's own yard. I am a lover of ALL breeds and I think this is just ridiculous.

Posted by: Tye Location: Austin, Tx on Mar 11, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Yeah for Lydia and everyone else who went and spoke up for our beloved breed. Madisonville can't do this it is NOT right. Listen to these people and take into consideration what you all have heard. THANKS AGAIN Lydia and the residents of Madisonville who care!!

Posted by: lurch Location: huntsville on Mar 11, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Is this not the country's freedom that I fought for.Sonny Dean needs to be put in a cage not pit bulls.

Posted by: Kim Location: Madisonville on Mar 11, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Our city government is a joke. Why aren't we paying attention to things that matter like our inadequate police force? I think if we had enough officers on the street, the dogs would not be an issue. This smacks of a "police state". I don't believe our ridiculous city government have any business telling law abiding citizens how to look after their pets. These are not farm animals. They are cherished members of people's families. Leave them alone! If an animal causes trouble - deal with it on a case by case basis.

Posted by: john Location: College Station on Mar 11, 2008 at 05:08 AM
"Madisonville Mayor Sonny Dean says they will take all comments from Monday into consideration, and that he wants to work with the citizens to make sure no one is treated unfairly." Then, as I said earlier, just replace the words "Pit Bull" with "Dog over 40 lbs". That's the only way to be fair, and it also addresses the fundamental problem of the morons who otherwise would just trade in their fighting Pit Bulls with fighting Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepards... of course, when you target ALL dog owners with that ridiculous level of restrictions, you probably won't be mayor much longer.

Posted by: Christina Location: Abel on Mar 10, 2008 at 11:09 PM
We have only asked that the council not to make this ordinance breed specific. The first 7 pages address pit bulls...Please tell me how that is not breed specific. The people of this community were never made aware that there was any problems concerning pit bulls and many feel that the council was wrong in moving forward without first consulting the people who this was going to affect. There have been several explanations from council members as to the reason behind the ordinance and none of them match each other. So really what is the true reason for this ordinance coming about without the communities awareness? Pit bulls are not the only breed of canine that have the capacity to be mean. All the council has done has created a bigger hardship for those people who do follow the rules. All law breakers will continue to break the law...it's a proven fact.

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