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Brazos County Wants Mailboxes Moved Save Email Print
Posted: 7:08 AM Apr 15, 2008
Last Updated: 8:38 PM Apr 15, 2008
Reporter: Derek Shore
Email Address: shore@kbtx.com

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Larry Purifoy has lived at his home in the Hunter's Creek subdivision for a number of years.

As with most subdivisions, the community was built by a developer, but normally after 2 years, the county takes over the maintenance of the roads.

After receiving $500 from each homeowner for their services, the county did just that, but Purifoy and other residents still aren't happy.

"Now they're telling us that we have to spend another thousand or so dollars to move our mailboxes," Purifoy said.

That's right their mailboxes. You see, homeowners were required by the developer to install brick laid mailboxes, so they went in right next to the road.

However, according to County Commissioner Kenny Mallard in order to take over the roadway maintenance, the county requires all mailboxes be 5 feet off the roadway

"When construction needs to be done on the roads, we can go in there with the equipment and effect all the construction that needs to be done," Mallard said. "With the mailboxes right next to the road then they're in the way"

And now that the road has been assumed by the county, the roadwork is coming this summer, but not until the mailboxes get out of the way.

"It has escalated to the point that I think they're holding us hostage on our road work," Purifoy said.

There is another option: the county could remove them.

"I'm not wanting to go out and tear down peoples mailboxes, that is certainly not the desire we want to have," Mallard said. "But how do we effect and maintain the roads?"

But for Purifoy, he just wished someone would have clued him and his neighbors in on the rules before the permanent structures were installed.

"I think it was an undisclosed ordinance," Purifoy said.

An ordinance, undisclosed or not, that's going to cost homeowners some cash.

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Posted by: Arthur Location: Bryan Resident on Apr 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Can they request a variance through the County Commissioners Court, cause it sounds like if they put that much money into the construction of a mailbox they probably would have obeyed city codes. Someone else dropped the ball.

Posted by: john Location: College Station on Apr 21, 2008 at 12:25 PM
"Have the rule changed or grand-father it." Grandfathering it doesn't make it any easier for the County to maintain the road; Telling the residents "We've got you over a barrel so do it OUR way" does. And for OK; the county hasn't taken over maintanance on all those new miniranchetts yet; As soon as they do, those new owners will be getting their notices. And I'm STILL waiting for the Post Office to weigh in on whether they are going to allow making the letter carrier get out at every house, or just send everybody who complies wioth the county a notice ORDERING them to put the boxes back on the street or pick up their mail in town...which would be enough to send some of the residents postal.

Posted by: ok Location: brazos on Apr 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM
rode thru some new sub divions over the weekend in so. brazos co. the mail boxes were on the edge and not five foot back.

Posted by: DJ Location: Brazos County on Apr 21, 2008 at 08:49 AM
YOUR county inspectors supposedly inspected the residences here and checked them off as "OK".

Posted by: Mark Location: College Station on Apr 21, 2008 at 06:49 AM
I think the County has lost their minds. Have the rule changed or grand-father it. Look at the ruts and dangers of the new location of the mail boxes. Are cars allowed to park on this same ROW?

Posted by: bmw Location: brazos on Apr 17, 2008 at 04:11 PM
i am interested in what kind maintenance mr mallard is doing on this new paved road

Posted by: Side Rd Off OSR Location: Brazos County on Apr 17, 2008 at 02:04 PM
I also live on a NON Paved Rd on Our Beloved Brazos Co Side. Pun Intened, And I ain't *it%h#n because my rd isn't paved and I have to go down the unpaved rd to get my mail from a *ROW* of mailbpxes that *Ain't* (5) feet off of the road... Everybody just needs to grow up. Sorry but I also can't sympathize with this either.

Posted by: its stupid Location: brazos on Apr 17, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Let`s do away with the postal system so brazos co road & bridge can do there maintance every 6 to 8 months.

Posted by: John Location: College Station on Apr 17, 2008 at 06:35 AM
"In the meeting with the county the residents were told that the rest of the county was going to have to comply with the 5ft. code also." Has ANYONE (resident OR County) checked with the Post Office on this? As some have pointed out, this would mean having the mailman get out at each house or demand cluster boxes in all subdivisions. Be kind of nasty to spend the money moving the boxes and THEN be told that the mailman won't deliver there unless they move them back...

Posted by: resident Location: college station on Apr 16, 2008 at 06:54 PM
In the meeting with the county the residents were told that the rest of the county was going to have to comply with the 5ft. code also. So, if they start with these residents and you live in the county you could be next.

Posted by: County Resident Location: Brazos Co. on Apr 16, 2008 at 05:23 PM
There's no way we can place our mailbox 5 ft. off the road. There's a deep (4') culvert dug by the county for drainage. To re-locate our mailbox would place it up into our yard and there's no way the mailman could deliver our mail.

Posted by: Bryan resident on Apr 16, 2008 at 01:17 PM
be glad county even wants to maintain the road! someone must be out there to pull strings

Posted by: Bryan Resident on Apr 16, 2008 at 10:20 AM
When Mr. Sims said a resident saw one person that had a nice brick mailbox and the other one built is, isn't a thought out remark. When homes are built it is the responsbility of the developer/Builder to know the facts, get permits, etc...and don't new homes have to pass inspections by officials as well? My parents had a mailbox in their front yard when they moved in late 80's, in city, postoffice decided to put cluster boxes up. Postoffice blamed on builder and builder said post office did not mention cluster boxes. Some of the homes were 8-9yrs plus in age. So officials do what they want and when they want! Its not up to residents to move these boxes, and if these homes are in the county, they should have the cluster boxes! After all its the country! Why do rules change to fit certain groups! Just remember voters what your official do for you come election time. Quit complaining and react! Vote them out!

Posted by: Anon Location: Bryan on Apr 16, 2008 at 07:38 AM
I don't understand why the county let this pass inspection upon completion if it was not correct. It should have been taken care of then. Not years later. Just another way for the county to try to get $$'s. I can promise you that you go through other subdivisions and the mailboxes ARE NOT 5 ft. of the road.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 16, 2008 at 06:52 AM
" The problem is the lack of knowlege by some of the developers, builders and homeowners about county codes." If Jonathan was right and the subdivision was built before the rules were changed in 2005, the developer would have to have been psychic to have had the knowledge. In that case, it is the County's (read us taxpayers) responsibility, since the boxes were legal when built.

Posted by: County Dweller Location: CS South on Apr 15, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Some facts that were left out of the story. The 500 from each lot owner for the county to take over the roads was because no bond was obtained by the county from the developer who left the homeowners holding the bag on bad roads that were not up to county specs. When the residents agreed to accept the county offer they were made aware of the possible need to move the boxes, don't cry surprise. Boxes setting off the road edge is for 3 reasons: safety of the mail carrier, safety for drivers on county roads and lower cost (ease) of maintenance. Restrictions in this subdivision do not address location of mail boxes, just contruction material. The problem is the lack of knowlege by some of the developers, builders and homeowners about county codes. Maybe this will encourage the county officials to spread the word and make developers and builders adhear. Will the county officials hold all subdivisions to these codes? Does anyone know what the US postal codes are about county boxes?

Posted by: Jonathan Stone Location: Brazos County on Apr 15, 2008 at 07:05 PM
I've been disappointed in the reporting of this story to date. This is not as simple as homeowners purposely ignoring or being ingnorant of the current ordinance. The ordinance was changed (or "re-articulated") in 2005 and the county is trying to require owners with mailboxes built before this time to move them! The only information we had when we built our mailbox (which was required to be brick or rock by our HOA restrictions) was the specifications by the US Postal Service stating that mailboxes must be 6 to 8 inches from the roadway. This issue can be summarized into: Capability, Liability, and Safety. We have been told that the county equipment is not capable, but we see many examples that it is. It isn't a liability issue with out-of-control cars because moving them 5 ft dosn't get them out of the 70ft ROW. In my opinion, safety is the only real issue and I understand the need to move the mailboxes on a high speed roadway, but not in a low speed low traffic neighborhood.

Posted by: John Location: Brazos County on Apr 15, 2008 at 05:55 PM
I live in the county and built a house that is off a State road. I took my mailbox to the state and they mounted it and put it out beside the state road at the entrance to my property. I would assume(YEAH, I know what happens when you do that!!)that in the case of the Hunter Creek developement whoever has to maintain the road is responsible for determining where the mailbox should be located. The developer should have determined this when building the home. If he did and then the rules have changed, it would be another instance of the Brazos county commissioners trying to exert their authority in an area they do not know what to do. My mailbox is about 4 feet from the road, but can be moved. I don't think the taxpayers should have to pay for moving the mailboxes, but neither should the homeowners. that leaves the developer.

Posted by: bmw Location: pct 1 on Apr 15, 2008 at 05:48 PM
forget it straub, wasserman is your commiss you will never have payment. he dont have the b***s to do anything for his people. he is a randys boy building his retirement. we cant even get oil on white switch to control the dust.

Posted by: Straub Road Location: South Brazos on Apr 15, 2008 at 04:50 PM
We've been waiting for ten years for them to pave 0.8 miles of road. Our mailboxes are on stands provided by the county. They have concrete bases they are moved so the road grader can move dirt around. If they don't want to move their mailboxes, pave Straub Road! Our County Commissioner promised it four years ago. Hmmm. elections

Posted by: JD Location: CS on Apr 15, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Curbside mail delivery is called "curbside" for a reason. The county can not make you move your box 5 feet from the road. How is the mailman going to be able to deliver the mail? By making you move your boxes, the county is breaking federal laws that pertain to interfering with the delivery of mail. Something tells me that FEDERAL authority outweighs county authority. And as someone else said, there are plenty of areas where they do road work where the boxes aren't 5 feet off the road.

Posted by: thats sorry Location: brazos on Apr 15, 2008 at 03:46 PM
doesn`t the post office have a say, these mailboxes are concidered federal property. if 5 foot offset is a county rules and they accepted the $500 from homeowner than the county should be liable

Posted by: bmw Location: brazos on Apr 15, 2008 at 03:36 PM
how many years have passed on these mailboxes. seems to me this should have caught right away. "Grandfathered in" mean anything. K Mallard is typical, lets you finish a project, two weeks or years later tells you its wrong and fix it. why didn`t R & B dept say something early....

Posted by: Josh Location: Bryan on Apr 15, 2008 at 03:22 PM
The developer is not the one who installs the mailboxes. It is the responsiblity of the owner or builder of the home. The masonry mailboxes are typically installed at the same time the masonry on the house is installed. Unless it was stated in the deed restrictions as to the location of the boxes, or by federal regulations on box locations, then the builder or owner puts the box pretty much at the most convenient location in my experience. I have built two homes in the county on improved, paved roads similar to this subdivision, and have not run across or heard anything as to the location of the boxes we installed. I am pretty sure they aren't five feet from the road surface.

Posted by: luis Location: bryan on Apr 15, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Where is the developer in all this? They should have to pay for at least half. Who oversees that all of these requirements by developers meet county/city ordinances? They should have to pay the other half!

Posted by: Bekah on Apr 15, 2008 at 01:27 PM
As miserable as it is to move the mailboxes, is it really fair to ask all the taxpayers to contribute to the project? If the county does it, it comes from everyone's tax dollars. I hope I don't find myself in that situation. However, if I did, I wouldn't expect other citizens to pay for it.

Posted by: county resident Location: Brazos on Apr 15, 2008 at 01:06 PM
i am a county resident and live on a dirt road. anyone who lives in the county and has a paved road should be happy!! Also, my mailbox is down the road - not in front of my house. oh the whoas..... sorry i can't sympathize with this story at all.

Posted by: Ed Location: Boid on Apr 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Kenny Mallard should have to pay with his own personal funds.

Posted by: Judy Location: Bryan on Apr 15, 2008 at 10:49 AM
I think the developer should have to pay for this error in his planning.

Posted by: Courtney Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 10:21 AM
As a homeowner and tax payer in this subdivision I feel that once again we (the homeowners) are being stuck after the developer, Mr. Landers, has left the project. My only hope is that there are no more suprises by Brazos County and that the matter is resolved.

Posted by: C.H. Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Kenny Mallard said that the county requires all mailboxes be 5 feet off the roadway. If this is the case then, why is it that in all the new subdivision that are coming up the mail boxes are within 5 feet of the roadway inside the lots boundary. If this is the requirement, mailmen would have to walk to all mailboxes because they would not be within reach from the road.

Posted by: Bobby Location: Hilltop Lakes on Apr 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM
If the residents ask the county to do the maintenance then tne residents should pay to move the mailboxes. At Hilltop Lakes the mail cannot be deliver to the house.

Posted by: Crissy Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I work for a surveyor here in town and I have never personally come across anything like this. I will admit though there are some crazy restrictions for subdivisions. I would suggest that the homeowners look into the restrictions for Hunter's Creek subdivision to see if it mentions that mailboxes must be 5 feet off the row. If it does, and I lived in this subdivision, I would personally want the developer to pay for the boxes having to be moved since they are supposed to follow all ordinances and restrictions during development.

Posted by: David Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Yes the developer should have known the rules but ultimately it is the owner's responsibility. It's their mailbox. I live in the county and it was made clear to me that my mailbox could not be a permanent structure...for this exact reason. Just as in the city, the mailboxes are installed in the right of way. The city or county has a right to work in the right of way and does not have to repair or replace the owner's property that had to be moved or destroyed to complete the work. In most cases they do, but they don't have to.

Posted by: bill Location: college station on Apr 15, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Wanna bet that there are some mailboxes out there on county maintained roads that aren't five feet from the road? I'd bet my next soc. sec. check that there are. That's illegal. Let's deport those "illegal mail recievers"; what about illegal don't you understand? By the way, john is right.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Bryan on Apr 15, 2008 at 08:58 AM
I am with John on this one - there should be a third option the DEVELOPER.

Posted by: john Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 08:37 AM
I HATE your speakout poll question; The only real answer is the DEVELOPER who REQUIRED the residents to violate County Codes, which isn't among your choices. Unfoutunately (since it's MY taxes they're using), the county is my second choice, since their inspectors were obviously picking up their paychecks without actually INSPECTING what what was going on (how many OTHER code violations which aren't as obvious are eventually going to come to light?) in this and how many other subdivisions...

Posted by: Tammy Location: Grimes County on Apr 15, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Why can't the county and/or the residents require the developer to move the mailboxes? The developer required the mailboxes be brick and probably installed them so shouldn't the move be his responsibility. I think the county also needs to be completely upfront with developers as to where mailboxes and such should be if the county will be receiving the developed property into their tax rolls. It's interesting to note that as College Station continues to annex property they are unwilling to assist the land owners that they only want tax dollars from.

Posted by: Tina Location: College Station on Apr 15, 2008 at 07:49 AM
Why was the developer allowed to build these mailboxes at the road if they weren't up to code with the city ordinance in the first place? It sounds like the developer snuck them in under the radar, and the county wasn't doing their job to make sure it was done right in the first place. And now the residents have to suffer the cost? This one really smells afoul!

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