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CS Sexual Assault Investigation Raises Questions Save Email Print
Posted: 11:02 PM Aug 26, 2008
 Last Updated: 11:02 PM Aug 26, 2008
 Reporter: Joe Brown
Email Address: brown@kbtx.com
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An alleged rape that's turned into a civil lawsuit is creating more questions than answers.

A 23-year old woman claims she was drugged and sexually assaulted last December by the owners of a Northgate bar. But in the nine months since, no charges have been filed.

When News 3 asked College Station police about the status of the case, we were told only that it is still under investigation.

We asked the woman's attorney why the civil lawsuit was filed without any criminal charges. His response was that they could no longer wait for something to be done.

The woman says she was drinking at the bar with friends. When the friends started to leave, one of the bar's owners offered to give her a ride home if she wanted to stay. She says she didn't know the person, but accepted because one of her friends did.

She claims she was taken to the home of the defendants, given a pill to help her sleep and put to bed. She alleges when she awoke, one of the defendants was in bed with her and her clothing was different than what she went to bed wearing.

She was taken home, but promptly went to a hospital where a rape test was performed. College Station police were called and questioned the defendants but made no arrests.

Monday, the woman filed a civil lawsuit against the pair.

Because no criminal charges have been filed, News 3 has elected to withhold the names of the accused.
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Posted by: Amy on Sep 1, 2008 at 09:31 AM
IDK why ppl are saying "I dont know why she waited to long to report this" when CLEARLY its written that she went to the hospital the NEXT MORNING. She DID the right thing, and if the PD wasn't dragging their feet, this case would have already been criminal! She IS an intelligent girl, who is NOT after money. Goodluck bar owners, Cant wait till you take your DNA test! :) GOODBYE FREEDOM! ... and for the girl...you ARE truly an amazing person, I would go to both ends of the earth for you. Stay strong, and we will all get through this together. Nobody knows the true story, and I know you ARE doing the right thing sweetie! XOXO
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 31, 2008 at 06:26 AM
Of course this plays into Ikner's reference a few weeks to sometimes "needing to kill a few buzzes", even though it puts the cops in a real no win situation; if one of the "extra" officers he hopes to put into Northgate had been in the bar watching an obviously drunk girl (err young woman) hit on every guy in the place, he'd have had the choice of either letting her do something that she might swear was rape the next morning (since she can claim she was too drunk to know what she was doing), or be crucified for interfering with her Constitutional right to do whatever the hell she wants as long as it doesn't hurt others (I WANTED to get drunk and I was going to get a ride afterward, you Gestapo #%@*#! This isn't Nazi Germany, you know! yada, yada, yada)...
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 04:20 PM
about as stupid as your momma
Posted by: ok anonymous 2:47 pm on Aug 29, 2008 at 04:04 PM
THEN WHY DID SHE PUT HERSELF IN THAT POSITION?????????
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:47 PM
TO THE PERSON TO POSTED "DRUNK GORLS ACTIONS ARE SOBER GIRLS THOUGHTS" ......HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET? THERE IS NO WAY ANY GIRL DRUNK OR SOBER WANTS TO GET RAPED! .....
Posted by: anonymous Location: college station on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:44 PM
To all of you that have opinions, you should first think of this. What if this was your daughter, sister or girlfriend? Would you still have the same views? It doesn't matter how it happens. Rape is WRONG! The only reason people get away with it so often in Texas is because of people like you who think that there are situation when it is right. This does not make any sense. Yes, drinking does usually end up in wrong decisions but this is a college town and I don't know anyone that can say that they have not gotten drunk and made a wrong decision. It is easy to judge someone's actions but it is not easy to declare that rape is not wrong in any case. If these bar owners have done this to her, how many other women (or men of course) have they done this too? How many bars in this town are doing this? Should this be a big concern to College Station/Bryan residents? Of course it should! Everyone should start looking at the big picture and not judge this one girl when there may be many.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Candy is dandy, but likker is quicker...
Posted by: stupid girl Location: college station on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:25 PM
I bet anyone that she had sex with them with concent and decided to press charges so she can get some quick and easy money, you women are scandalous ALL women are scandalous
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Wow.......an attorney has to search blogs for a witness list!!!! REALLY??? I would have to totally agree with Please. Though it is unfortunate that something like this happened (if it did), stay sober. Alcohol is the root of so many issues especially in a college town. You have to ask yourself, Are these couple of drinks worth loosing everything over? Even possibly your life. If you are able to even think about that then you are lucky, many have died before they have had the chance. You can blame it on the system of justice, the officers for whatever reason, the people you hang around, and even the person that gives alcohol to someone else but in the end it is the person who consumes it that is to blame!!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Drunk girls actions are a sober girls thoughts
Posted by: To Please on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM
That's a jury I hope I never have to sit on, because I don't know whether or not I'd have let the guy off...to me it's not as important to look at whether she was "interested" as it is to know whether HE knew she was plastered (and maybe deliberately contributed to getting her that way). And that's why I hope the Cops got the survellience tapes (if any) from the bar the morning after.
Posted by: Please on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:58 AM
I had a roomate in college that got really hammered every weekend. One weekend when we went out she met a guy and was hanging all over him. He was grabbing her in places I won't say, and she was giggling and loving it. She was so drunk she could hardly stand up. When she told us she was going home with him, we were really mad and tried to physically haul her to our car. It didn't work and she left with him. The next day we got a call to come and get her. She was in tears and said she was hurting and he must have "done something" to her, but she couldn't remember. She wanted us to all stand by her side while she ended up filing rape charges. When it was our time to testify, we had to say that she was VERY interested in him when she left with him and had her hands on him and he on her. He was not convicted. We knew that she wanted to when she left. She just didn't remember because she was too drunk. Stay SOBER people and this won't happen!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:57 AM
When you put your life in the hands of strangers... you never know what you're going to get. The girl was clearly stupid and young and naive - but if she was raped, however unlikely, then she deserves justice.
Posted by: sam Location: bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This sad poor little girl is after money. I guess she couldn't get her MRS. degree at A&M and had to result to something worse. Too bad she messed with the wrong people. If any girl gets raped, they wouldn't wait this long to say anything...so sorry little girl...you LOSE!! :)
Posted by: To Aggie 12 on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Civil and criminal are two related but different forms of suit. Civil is easier to prove. Criminal is more severe, therefore harder to prove. Here, by filing the civil suit, any criminal case has been made extremely difficult. Now, the defendant has a built in defense ($$$). Plus possible protections she would have in a criminal case concerning her character are gone. I'm sure the DA is happy with her attorney.
Posted by: Jv Location: Bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:00 PM
Response to Everyone, on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:54 pm...Yea you can say that this girl did everything right....RIGHT yea, the 1st she did WRONG was to take a pill offered to her by someone that she didnt know! Yes, this couple should not have offered this girl the "sleeping pill" but she should have had better sense than to take it>
Posted by: concerned Location: bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 04:42 PM
The girl was not willing to be raped...I'm really upset with the comments and wish that people would just leave her alone. she is a great person and didn't ask for any of this to happen. to the people who have said nice things about her: thank you so much!! to the people bashing her: you dont know what really happened so quit acting like you do and assuming things. She made a poor decision, but the last thing she thought when she got into the car with the married couple who own the bar was that they would take advantage of her in anyway, they knew what kind of condition she was in when they left the bar with her...they were the ones serving her drinks all night long! I mean for heavens sake she was 22 when it happened and they're in their forties.... Just ignore all the negative comments on here, the truth will prevail! Good luck sweetheart! =)
Posted by: sb Location: cs on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:00 PM
this is for ty... you r on the right side. pls fight this battle with all your guns loaded. i can send a sword if you need it. you r at war with nasty mean people. i wish you and your client the best of luck. to aka richard (whatever your last name is) u need to get a life. why dont u own up to your last name buddy? scared tiger?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:17 PM
To: "Everyone"....all you post says is...blah blah blah blah blah......blah blah blah blah.
Posted by: To: Everyone on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM
I am very aggravated at everyone who says that this girl is in the wrong. NO one knows the full story. Everyone makes mistakes and if someone makes a mistake it doesn't mean to take advantage of someone. For goodness sakes this couple own a bar, they shouldn't be taking home there customers and offering pills to young women. The girl did everything she was suppose to do to file charges, she went to the hospital talked to detectives, and since the process can take up to years to determined the criminal stuff she might have wanted to take more action now. Even if it is nine months later her attorney has stated that she went to the hospital the next day. So there for she did the right thing. I think everyone has there own opinions about it all but no one knows the real truth of the matter. I hope that justice is served no matter what. I am very sorry for that young lady and I wish that more people would stand up for whats right!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Now I aint say she a gold digger...
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Classic case of somebody just wanting money...and yes those people are out there.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM
"If this woman is saying that she was raped, can the police department arrest them since the civil suit has been filed?" Yes, the two systems are independent of one another; Only in Criminal cases is jail time a possible result, which is what double jepordy attaches to. But as OJ found out, folks can still come after your wallet no matter what the status of the criminal charges. "I just do not understand how you can file a suit like the one she has filed and no one is arrested." Ask the tobacco companies about that one; nobody EVER got criminally charged, but they're still paying out billions.
Posted by: Aggie12 Location: Walton Hall on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Okay, will someone out there who is a lawyer answer a question for me? If this woman is saying that she was raped, can the police department arrest them since the civil suit has been filed? I just do not understand how you can file a suit like the one she has filed and no one is arrested. I know people get arrested for a good deal less on accusations alone.
Posted by: agree w/others Location: bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I agree that this young woman did a very stupid thing to take a pill from perfect strangers to "HELP HER SLEEP?" why would you want to sleep at some strange mans' house?why didn't she leave with her friends instead of these people? she put herself in a dangerous situation,but did not deserve to be raped,if that indeed happened. i tend to believe that she was raped due to the fact that she immed.went to the hospital, requesting the procedure for sexual assault. if no one is found guilty, i hope she will use this opportunity to warn other young women of the dangers of drinking,and trusting anyone you really don't know. if these guys are guilty, may they be prosecuted to the fullest extent. i am sorry this happened to her,but it really is no ones' fault but hers. bad choices = bad consequences.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:46 AM
"Richard Head" - CLASSIC!!!!
Posted by: Kelly on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:40 AM
"She needs to be sued for stupidity and wasting tax payers time and money!! And stay out of the bars". IRRITATED, You should probably stop beung so cold hearted. She is clearly not after money and I must say if this EXACT thing happened to me than I would be doing the same thing she is. These people are sick that did this, if only you knew. Stop being so cold-hearted. She has gone through enough...learned her lesson yes, I am sure!! Also, whoever said her friends left her there, and her intentions were to go home with this couple really needs to stop assuming they know so much. Clearly she was not ready to leave and what "seemed" like such a nice couple offered her a ride. Bar-owners (a couple), clearly she believed was better than getting a ride from some random solo guy.....I cant argue that I would of done anything different. People need to take consideration of her feelings,and stop getting all caught up with ignorant comments. Some things are just better left unsaid.
Posted by: M Location: Bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:40 AM
K, I agree being a complete idiot doesn't consent to rape. Was she raped? and if she was I sure as hell wouldn't wait 9 months to file some kind of suit. Investigation or none, seems to me even she doen't know what happened, and you have to have convinving evidence to get a conviction and this county wastes enough money on useless trials. I'm sorry, but if it was me (bar owner) I'd sit back and let this young lady fall. They have nothing to defend as of right now. Maybe they are guilty, but it seems if there was enough evidence there would be a case and it wouldn't be a civil one and it would involve a warrant and someone in cuffs. The truth will always come out, Good luck to both sides.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Does anyone REALLY believe that Ty Clevenger is actually on here posting? Anybody can look up his office number in the yellow pages. Jeez.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:18 AM
"Give the DNA and prove they are not guilty." How does giving DNA prove whether or not a sexual encounter (possibly initiated by the girl) was consensual?
Posted by: Teacher Lady Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:22 PM
How very, very sad that there are individuals in this lovely, intelligent town who believe a girl who is drunk and incapable of making an intelligent decision is fair game for rape.
Posted by: Got a good laugh Location: anywhere on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:12 PM
To Richard...nice name...although the name Richard Cranium is better! LMAO
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Mr. Clevenger, the last name is Smith, Jones, Johnson, Williams, Lee, take your pick, its pretty sad that you are in here looking for "evidence" that apperently noboody else has been able to find. If you are the girl's attorney, it looks like you looking for something that isn't there, but hey who cares, right?, as long as you get paid
Posted by: David Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52 PM
Does anyone know what the status of Mr. Clevenger's "whistleblower" case with the Department of Justice is?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Yep, I sure want my attorney looking at his own name in the paper instead of working on my case. Also, sounds like he thinks he can intimidate people and shut them up. Way to go Richard standing up to him.
Posted by: Kevin Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:20 PM
If all you guys think the bar owners are innocent then made they need to speak up and clear their name. If I was accused of something I would do everything in my power to clear my name especially if I had my name and business on the line. Give the DNA and prove they are not guilty. They say everyone's innocent until proven guilty! Right?
Posted by: Debbie on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:07 PM
The word "alleges" means there has been no conviction. She filled a police report, but the police have yet to issue a warrant. This brave young lady may have been guilty of being young and dumb, but as far as I know the punishment for young and dumb is not rape!!! This girl went to the police the next day and to the hospital, she did everything she was supposed to do to report a rape. The couple that owned the bar surely said she was lying so the police needed more evidence that they have not found (if even looked for) yet. This brave girl also has civil rights to file in a lawsuit; if the police won't find the evidence for criminal court, then she will make them pay for their crimes against her in civil court. You go girl... I for one am proud of your fight for justice. Ignore all the idiots, they probably think women are asking for rape just because they are female. It takes a brave woman to stand up against a rapist she deserves support. You have my support Dear, and my prayers.
Posted by: GonnaBeInteresting Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:50 PM
I meant, "play out"
Posted by: Mr. X Location: the moon on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:48 PM
maybe the pill was, oh my god no, advil to ease the hangover. And with CS police not jumping on this yet a civil case in process, maybe she is after money not jail time
Posted by: really??? on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Ok, first off i just wanted to say that NO ONE here KNOWS anything! You can't say that there were no criminal charges filed by her. Maybe it takes CSPD awhile so they can get everything right. They said it was under investigation. Also people make mistakes, it doesn't mean RAPE or take advantage of someone when they do make a mistake. I think all of you need to consider both sides of the story. No one should bash anyone in this kind of situation. For her to file a law suit against someone there HAS to be some kind of evidence in the first place. No one knows that young lady to say that she wanted any of it to happen to her. So my advice is to not put her down.
Posted by: Richard Head Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:53 PM
to Ty Clevenger, the name is Head...Richard Head.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I would fire my attorney if he was blogging on here. If "richard" did something wrong then go thru the proper channels to track him down. When I hear the name TY I think of Chevy Chase in Caddyshack. WATCH OUT FOR THE GOPHER!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:59 PM
I was once accused of doing something I did not do and an article was written and published about me in a local paper. The accusation was not true - and I have had a long career in law enforcement ever since. You never know what person is going to pick you out of a crowd and accuse you of doing something that you did not do. This article says "alleges"...it is hard to know who is telling the truth - you have a female that is accusing bar owners of something and it seems she doesn't even remember what happened - and then you have another party saying that didn't happen. Suspects are known, 8 months, this is probably a "he said, she said" case with no evidence to back up a rape charge.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Does anyone notice how this is an alleged rape? The question remains, was she raped or does she just think she was raped? Thinking and knowing are two different things.
Posted by: M Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:00 PM
ok, how stupid does she sound...??The article does not say anyone is being charged with anything, so who knows if she was raped. Get a grip, one she needs to have better friends and two she doesn't need to drink. If your judgement is that easily swayed by alcohol, and you get into the car with a stranger, you are putting your self in a dangerous situation. Oh yeah not to mention taking an unknown substance from said stranger, HELLO??? Also, why, when she realized he wasn't taking her home, didn't she call a cab, her friends, anyone???People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. I hope the truth comes out, and I am glad they haven't published names or the name of the club. But if you poor gas on a fire, it doesn't drown the fire, it makes it worse. Being drunk in a bar $40.00, taking a ride and unknown drugs from a stranger, $30.00 (if she would have taken a cab), waking up the next morning, clothes messed up priceless!!!
Posted by: Cynthia Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:47 PM
The only thing clear about this story is that not all the facts are clear. I think KBTX posted this to just see what kind of reactions would come from the community. Without clear answers to a lot of the questions the most anyone can do is speculate. KBTX should have waited until this case was finished...thus giving a jury (if one is used in this civil matter) a non-biased opinion of the situation. What if someone reads this story and gets selected for a jury...they will probably be biased by the fact that there really are no facts in this story. If the young lady wins then by all means KBTX, I want to know the name of the establishment, people involved (except the victim)and anything else to ensure I never go to their place of business.
Posted by: To Gracie on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:46 PM
"I feel very much for whoever this happened too. Its clear and obvious she was not WILLING to get raped." By definition, no one is EVER willing to get raped. However, it is NOT "clear and obvious" that she was not willing to have sex; we can't know from the article how inebriated she appeared to be; She may have APPEARED sober and willing, or the guy could be exactly the predator she alleges. Hopefully, there were security cameras in the bar and the cops secured them before they were erased. If not, this is going to degrade into a very ugly He said She said that's going to ruin EVERYBODY's reputation, irrespective of the true facts.
Posted by: annonymous Location: bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:42 PM
yaeh bpd and cspd would rather let the perfs and peds go free but god forbid if you bounce a check you get arrested the next day
Posted by: A. Voice Location: Reason on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:36 PM
As best as I can determine, no criminal charges have been filed in this case, only a civil suit. Even if criminal charges are filed, the accused are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Obviously it is not an "open & shut" case or the accused would have been charged with a crime by now - the suit talks about events in December, 2007. To those who have read the civil filing and are condemning the accused, remember that what you have read consists only of the alleged victim's version of the events. There are usually 2 sides to such stories and you seem ready to destroy the livelihood of the accused after hearing only one side. Someone implied that if they are not convicted, then the jury will have "failed the system". This with no real evidence and only half a story to go on, very sad. If not the judge & jury, then who should decide guilt or innocence, you??
Posted by: theDoctor Location: bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:27 PM
I just want the truth to come out in all of this. If these people are raping women they need to go to jail. If this is not true the this young lady needs some help.
Posted by: Irritated Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Ok, honestly, I have drank more than I should at times and gone where I shouldn't have. I have woke up in situations where I was really, really ashamed of my behavior. All this due to drinking alcohol. Maybe when she woke up she was ashamed of her actions. Because she is obviously an upstanding moral person and would never do anything like have sex with somebody while she was DRUNK!! Not that she even remembers. Something is fishy here. Why isn't this kidnapping if she didn't agree to go to their home?? She more than likely woke up disoriented after she was drunk and passed out. She probably barfed all over herself, too. Grow up, I know it may be shocking but people do have sex all the time with people they aren't married to. I really don't understand why there would be no criminal investigation but she feels there is enough evidence for her to sue these people. She needs to be sued for stupidity and wasting tax payers time and money!! And stay out of the bars!
Posted by: Member Location: Due Right Club on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Now it sometimes gets tiring always trying to do right but I have the joy of knowing that when or if I ever decide to do wronge the law will be just as stupid as can be with all there mistakes so I can get off scott free. A real comfort.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Here's my question. Why would she have stayed at the bar with these strangers after her friend(s) left unless she was interested in leaving with the folks? There's more to the story then we are seeing here. She took a pill to sleep -- sounds like there were drugs involved; that she wanted to score or do drugs with these folks after hours. Poor judgement all around, however if there is supporting evidence I'm surprised that CSPD hasn't filed charges. They must have believed that there wasn't enough evidence to prove the case. If it was rape, I think she's gonna be S.O.L. in any case civil or otherwise - because if the cops won't file charges, chances of proving her case to a judge or jury will be slim. Sounds like poor judgment on the victim and the accused's part all around.
Posted by: none Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM
The way it seems to me is that this girl went to the house with them probably to keep partying and he offered her some pills and she thought she was going to get high off of them and he screwed her over! Typical pill poppers will usually take something not knowing what it is as long as they think that they are going to have good time on it! All I know is that nobody deserves to be taken advantage of but why would anybody ever take a pill from a stranger at a house that they aren't familiar with? It's like asking for something to happen!
Posted by: Bob Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:12 PM
For all those wanting to know the definition of "naif" - just enter it into Google. It would have taken less time to look it up than it took for you to ask.
Posted by: ??? Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:48 AM
I totally agree with Joe. These Women have to learn that when they get drunk and wake up with their undies on the floor they can yell stupid but not rape no matter how much they regret it.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Clearly the bar owners should've known there must be a liability of taken an intoxicated patron home? Why did they continue to serve her alcohol? Alterior motive??? Give this girl a break. At least she didn't attempt to drive home!!!! She apparently thought she could trust these people.
Posted by: Woody Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM
OK what is she waiting for???? A cash settlement so she can drop the case???? This is making sense little by little. If someone gets raped charges should be filled immediately. I feel sorry for this lady but she is making her intentions very obvious.
Posted by: Sick N. Tired Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Ok, it seems ironic to me how people on the computer don't know how to look up a word on dictionary.com. Don't bother...for the definition of "naif", see "Joe". This is getting away from the point though, which is as Anonymous Supporter said, "...condemnation of the victim."
Posted by: Curious Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM
I have to agree with Joe. WHY ON EARTH would you go home with someone that you do not know and THEN take a pill from them to be able to sleep better?! For all we know she was SOO drunk that she blacked out, had wild sex all night, and then regretted it the next day. I hate hearing about a rap case. It sends chills down my spine, BUT her story does not add up.
Posted by: Gracie Location: C.S. on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Read it again.. it said her friends knew the owners, and she did not. She was trusting her friend enough to take the ride offered by the owners if I assume correct. Secondly, do ppl NOT realize that CARPOOL DOES NOT WORK AFTER SCHOOL IS OVER? There is no way she could have called Carpool in December, because school was out for Christmas break.
Posted by: Kelly Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM
First, this girl was not WILLING. She went to a bar with a group of people to have a good time and trusted friends of her good friends, who ended being SICK people. This is a very sad situation, and even more SICK that people can make comments blaming the victim, not even knowing the whole story. She is a young, smart girl who is actually brave for even coming out and speaking about this. This happens to so many girls, and lots of them hide behind it their lives. She would NOT of willingly taken a harmful drug....yet alone something that would make her remember NOTHING. Ignorant opinions like ones below should be kept to themselves. How sad people in this world can be!!! Put yourself in a situation like this before making ridiculous false comments about her. No one can take back what happened to her, and for cold hearted people to even think or say that she is lying and after money is just absurd. Seriously? Get a grip! Keep your head high girl, this will end soon! Love you!!
Posted by: Ty Clevenger Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM
If anyone knows who "richard" is, give me a call at 260-7030. I just need to fill in the last name on the subpoena.
Posted by: Anonymous Supporter Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:46 AM
True, the willing (note correct spelling)can't be raped. However, I doubt the CSPD considers a drugged person to be a "willing" participant under any circumstance. Condeming the victim is both cruel and ignorant. I am sure she is already painfully aware that she made the wrong choice that evening in accepting a ride from the bar owner, who btw was a friend of a friend. She, the victim, has shown tremendous courage by coming forward publicly to report what was done to her and to help stop this from happening to others in the future. So many crimes just like this go unreported because of the anticipated and unjustified condemnation that the victim can expect to recieve. Like Sick N. Tired, I too have to wonder about people who are on the internet at 4am and about their motives to discredit this young woman without knowing anything about her or the facts in this case. Friends of the owners?
Posted by: Gracie Location: C.S. on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:41 AM
I feel very much for whoever this happened too. Its clear and obvious she was not WILLING to get raped. If she trusted her friend, who obviously knew the bar owners and they were NOT STRANGERS to them, she was only accepting a safe ride home rather then endangering others on the road after she had been drinking. Joe, you are rude and inconsiderate to the lady this happened to. Put one of your good friends in this situation, and I'm sure you would have voiced your opinion otherwise. And yes, clearly this IS why the jury's DO fail the system. What sounds like here is this lady was clearly taken advantage of, and I hope the bar owners are persecuted to the fullest extent of the law for their mischievous actions!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM
CSPD and BPD both lack in their investigations. I have provided them with rock solid evidence with video and have yet seen an arrest. This was months ago. The fact is it takes weeks and if you do not follow up on it, it can be put aside. When you question it, your told "This is not CSI" This is the Brazos County system, like it or not!
Posted by: Anonymous Location: College Station on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:33 AM
This is for all of you who have put in your two cents. I would imagine all of you have made poor choices and not always done the right thing in your life. I don't think this is a very Christian attitude to judge others. Just because this young lady was under the influence doesn't excuse what happened to her. Being raped is not something to joke about. It is quite serious. I see two adults taking advantage of a situation. Perhaps they will have to answer to this to a higher authority?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Is this the bar that used to be called Shadow Canyon? Same owners?
Posted by: Me Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM
I agree with Joe's comment. When will young ladies learn commom sense?
Posted by: Joe on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:51 AM
To Sink N. Tired HAHAHAH what can I say. I work during most of the daylight hours and sleep during the others. I am on the internet at 3 and 4 in the morning becuse that is when I am off. Do my work hours make me irrational. I have a nice home, a nice car, I am not a criminal. So What is it about me that makes me irrational. Does the fact that i work a night shift make your a better person? I also eat lunch about that time. If i have done something to offend you by working diffent hour than you I am sorry. And no this web-site is not what allows people to say what we want. The constitution does. You see we are a free people. Please respond and tell me what "naif" is.
Posted by: anonymous Location: college station on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:48 AM
if somebody is drunk and drugged on purpose, even if she took the pill willingly, then it is rape.
Posted by: anonymous Location: bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:46 AM
at least the girl told the police the truth and is being honest about taking the pill....most people who go in to talk to the police don't even tell the full truth and leave out how intoxicated they were or that they took anything at all! I'm behind this girl 100 percent! good luck!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:45 AM
I am so tired of hearing everyone's comments that make absolutely NO SENSE! The girl was taken home by a couple who owned a bar, after they served her severeal drinks IN THEIR OWN BAR! that's wrong....no matter what else happened...and how did these people have access to pills to give to young women anyhow? how does richard know so much? who are you richard?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:36 AM
For - Sick N - I think you need to consider what you said. I know hundreds of rational people that are up at 3 and 4 in the morning. They are called police officers and jailers. They are the people that stock the shelves at the grocery store so that you can go in and buy food for your family. Just because you have the joy of working normal hours doesn't mean anyone else who works anything beyond that are irrational. At some point in a person's life they have to be held responsible. I think that most people would say 18 because at that point you are considered an adult - you can vote and buy cigarettes. Out of all the decisions that this girl had....friends, carpool, taxi....etc. she chose the wrong one. Sounds like she doesn't even know if she was raped....unless someone admitted it or there were signs, they could have just changed her clothes. Or maybe she did it and doesn't remember and now wants to try and press something that didn't happen. Its all speculation!
Posted by: Aggie12 Location: Walton Hall on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:20 AM
I too wondered why criminal charges have not been filed. If what I read is correct on the Brazos Valley Court site these people need to be locked up immediately. I do not know what is going on with this but I hope that the truth comes out and this place is closed down if all this is true.
Posted by: Curious Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Care to define "naif"?
Posted by: Anonymous Location: BCS on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:50 AM
Thank you, anonymous! that whole calling a rape kit a "rape test" was driving me nuts. KBTX please get your terminology straight.
Posted by: Sick N. Tired Location: CS on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:30 AM
Regarding Lisa and Joe's comments, you weren't there, you don't know her or what happened. But thanks for voicing your ignorant opinions, this is why jury's fail the system. And you have to wonder about people that are on the internet at 3 and 4 in the morning. Most rational people are asleep at those hours. And thanks to this website, anyone is allowed to voice anything they want to say no matter how naif.
Posted by: Lisa Location: Aggieland on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:24 AM
You can't rape the wiling.
Posted by: Joe Location: Bryan on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:17 AM
Maybe she will learn not to go to bars and accept rides with strangers, then accept a pill from a total stranger, then sleep in a total strangers house and bed...sounds to me like the CSPD has already written the case off as stupidity.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: CS on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
The statute on civil cases is shorter than criminal cases, that's why you file faster on those. Generally, in this scenario the victim files for the sake of taking some sort of action because the criminal process can be slow and for someone that feels like they've lost control over some part of their life-filing a civil lawsuit can provide some comfort even if they don't win. Lastly-it's not a 'rape-test' it is a KIT. There are no tests performed-just a physical exam to collect evidence.
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